Curse

Shasgaliel · Jun 08, 2010, 03:54 PM // 15:54

there was a joke (it was about a communist country) which fits perfectly in this case:

Rabbit is hastily crossing a border and a guard asks
-Why are you running away from your country?
-They are castrating the camels there - answers the rabbit and throws a scary look behind.
-You are a rabbit not a camel so what is the problem?
-Yes I know I am a rabbit but will I have enough time to explain that to them?

I am inclined to say that it is better to be paranoid if you wish to avoid all the risk.

Martin Alvito · Jun 08, 2010, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Lord Sojar

Yeh, farm all you want. They use upwards of 20 different metrics to ID bots manually. You are fine.

I had a guildie that got banned for botting once early in Factions. We all figured it was for farming faction too fast. We all knew he wasn't, since he was on Vent, grouping with people the whole time and playing like a human (different pathing and such). But he still got swept up in the original mass ban. He got it reversed, but given the aggressive approach that ANet took in refusing to review recent bans, people have cause for concern.

Your best defense is behaving in a manner that produces evidence Support can observe that tends to disconfirm the hypothesis that you're a bot. In other words, you need to separate your behavior from that of the bots. There are a few things that you can do to protect yourself:

- Exhaust your weekly options (Nicholas, WiK quests). That should give people in Support pause when considering whether you're acting like a bot.
- Farm in better places than the bots do. Other than event item farming, there are superior alternatives available to even semi-skilled players. The bots farm where they do because it's easy, not because it's efficient.
- Be efficient, but not precise. 'R' and moving the screen with the mouse while running through towns are your friends.

In short, odds are that you won't get wrongfully banned, but there are things you can do to decrease the odds of eating a false ban.

Thunder79 · Jun 08, 2010, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Pretty difficult to get mistaken for a bot...you have to try hard to follow the same paths and hit your skills the instant they recharge...every single time.

No worry here...they got other issues if they think I'm a bot.

And to all those who report people farming in the same areas as bots...hope you get banned...you're doing Anet no favors by making false reports.

R A N D O M · Jun 08, 2010, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Little unrelated but got this while playing my ranger in Random Arena today.
Gotta say, that somebodys going through random arena with something to detect bots, caused me a little paranoia that he was using it on me even though i didnt see how i was acting in any way like a bot.

Feathermoore Rep · Jun 08, 2010, 09:07 PM // 21:07

A code viewer for GW??? Lamest shit I've heard in a while.

But to view and record the lines of code being processed by the guildwars client would require source monitoring (either packets or dll). I'd say don't worry about because he's more likely to get banned for doing so than anyone else. Clearly if he has the means to monitor, record, and detect other people using bots, he easily has bot access. And if its that easy, i bet aNet already knows about it.

MithranArkanere · Jun 08, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Not much.
- The only external program I ever used is Steam, which is fully supported. So I won't get problems with that.
- I never trade, because THERE IS NO FRAKKING TRADING SYSTEM, and I refuse to call 'trading system' to spam and wait in a town or having to use external sites. So I will never get in trouble with dupes and such. And you should do the same, stop trading and abjure, advocate, beseech, besiege, canvass, entreat, impetrate, implore, importune, nag, obsecrate, obtest, plead, pray, press, require, solicit, sue, supplicate, urge, woo, worry, bother, cavil, censure, complain, criticize, fuss, grumble, knock, nitpick, objurgate, pan, peck, pick, quibble, reproach and complain until they surrender and make the impossible and more to add a bloody blessed trading system already.
- And I never use impolite words of any kind in local or team channels, never scam, never do anything 'bad'.
- And I never farm or play in a repetitive way, because it's plain boring.

A ban on my must be very unlikely.

Femmefatal · Jun 09, 2010, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Deakon

I hear ya. One side of me hopes you get banned for abusing the reporting system by reporting ANYONE that plays a monk that you see in Bergen Hot Springs "just to be on the safe side."

I agree that the 55 build is a gimmick but it's hardly a cheat or exploit. I understand your viewpoint I just disagree with the terminology you use.

Lol well it's not likely I'll get banned for reporting players that look like bots (all monks in Bergen Hot Springs). And yes the 55 build is a gimmick and a cheat and an exploit to many other players. Anet just never wised up about it and didn't do anything about it and it was the mother of all these other gimmick builds and botting that has been going on. Kill the source and you get rid of the problems.

Black Metal · Jun 10, 2010, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

And yes the 55 build is a gimmick and a cheat and an exploit to many other players. Anet just never wised up about it and didn't do anything about it and it was the mother of all these other gimmick builds and botting that has been going on. Kill the source and you get rid of the problems.

wow, that's pretty extreme. So do you think everyone who has run a 55, a build that uses skills and runes exactly as they are designed to function individually, should be visited by Dhuum?

Deakon · Jun 10, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

Lol well it's not likely I'll get banned for reporting players that look like bots (all monks in Bergen Hot Springs). And yes the 55 build is a gimmick and a cheat and an exploit to many other players. Anet just never wised up about it and didn't do anything about it and it was the mother of all these other gimmick builds and botting that has been going on. Kill the source and you get rid of the problems.

I'm pretty sure violating the terms of the EULA will come closer to getting you banned than running a 55 build because A-Net says violating the terms of the EULA will result in a ban. But what do I know? Seems kinda vague. lol

When I was a code-monkey back in the 80's, there was a saying that I was quite fond of. "Build an idiot-proof system and they'll just design a better idiot." Game designers should know by now that no matter how much money, resources and time you put into play-testing, you're not going to think of every possibility. It's practically impossible. 5 years into GW you can rest assured that there are players who know how the game reacts to their actions better than the designers ever will.

I can make twice as much creating a character and speeding it thru a campaign than I can in the same amount of time spent 55-ing outside Bergen Hot Springs. But dammit! Sometimes I like to spend an hour pretending I'm a billy-bad-ass and pwning some undead in HM with my tiny lil' monk. Probably doesn't compare with the thrill you have of thinking you got someone banned but I enjoy it.

And now I feel harassed because you admitted, on a public forum, what prompted me to make my original post. I felt that there were people that hung around reporting monks in Bergen Hot Springs as bots without any proof (or care) whatsoever. You have confirmed my suspicion by not only admitting your violations of the EULA but by reaffirming and then explaining that you weren't worried at all of any repercussions. You said you found it unlikely that you would be banned for your violations.

You sound exactly like someone who bots. addendumUp until Dhuum went berserker. end addendum /report (just kidding)

PuppyEater · Jun 10, 2010, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

Lol well it's not likely I'll get banned for reporting players that look like bots (all monks in Bergen Hot Springs). And yes the 55 build is a gimmick and a cheat and an exploit to many other players. Anet just never wised up about it and didn't do anything about it and it was the mother of all these other gimmick builds and botting that has been going on. Kill the source and you get rid of the problems.

It clearly states that abusing the report feature lands you in hot water. Anet's not retarded. They can tell between a player and a bot (despite what some people will time an again claim) and the only person who is going to get nailed to the wall is you...

Btw, Id love to know how many, if any, FoW sets you have because unless you farmed each ecto yourself its almost a guarantee that some were 55'ed for you...

End · Jun 10, 2010, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

wow, that's pretty extreme. So do you think everyone who has run a 55, a build that uses skills and runes exactly as they are designed to function individually, should be visited by Dhuum?

You forgot to mention an offhand that lowers your health that they put into the game as well...

Tullzinski · Jun 10, 2010, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

Lol well it's not likely I'll get banned for reporting players that look like bots (all monks in Bergen Hot Springs). And yes the 55 build is a gimmick and a cheat and an exploit to many other players. Anet just never wised up about it and didn't do anything about it and it was the mother of all these other gimmick builds and botting that has been going on. Kill the source and you get rid of the problems.

ANET will have to ban themselves for having Mhenlo in the Norn Tournement!!!

Mhenlo uses a 55 monk build and also receives an infinite length Protective Spirit at the start of his round. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_N...ing_Tournament

Maybe someone can start another retarded petition about it...

Countess Marie · Jun 11, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by sirmordicia

As long as your name isn't Asfj Kjksf or something similar and your not farming 24/7 (literally) your fine, its rather easy to tell the difference between a bot, and a human farming.

It's really sad that people can't properly name their bots.

-CM